Both of these are burned in the ash-receptacle

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Both of these are burned in the ash-receptacle

Both of these are burned in the ash-receptacle

The fate of both is to be burned or consumed (the ash-receptacle was a place in the Temple. 'Deshen' means the ashes from the burning of meat).

("The bulls that are burned and the goats that are burned, their slaughter is in the north... both of these are burned in the ash-receptacle" - Zevachim 5b; also: "When most of a man’s years have passed and he reaches forty... and when he ages, his inclination persuades him that now his strength is not as before, and it is not fitting for his honor to sit with youths in the fellowship of games, but his honor is with the elders... with men of stature... and on long nights they would sit, princes, and speak about the land and the fruits, about the cities and the kingdoms... and he raises smoke and coffee... this is a carcass and this is a forbidden piece, and both of these are burned in the ash-receptacle" - Pele Yoetz, letter Zayin, Zaken)

Translation

Expression (Hebrew)

אֵלּוּ וְאֵלוּ נִשְׂרָפִים בְּבֵית הַדֶּשֶׁן

Definition (Hebrew)

דִּינָם שֶׁל אֵלּוּ וְשֶׁל אֵלּוּ לְהִשָּׂרֵף אוֹ לְהִתְכַּלּוֹת (בֵּית הַדֶּשֶׁן הָיָה מָקוֹם בְּבֵית הַמִּקְדָּשׁ. דֶּשֶׁן מַשְׁמָע אֵפֶר שְׂרֵפָה שֶׁל בָּשָׂר).

("פָּרִים הַנִּשְׂרָפִים וּשְׂעִירִים הַנִּשְׂרָפִים שְׁחִיטָתָן בַּצָּפוֹן...אֵלּוּ וְאֵלּוּ נִשְׂרָפִים בְּבֵית הַדֶּשֶׁן"-זבחים ה ב, וְכֵן:"משעברו רֹב שנותיו שֶׁל אָדָם וְהִגִּיעַ לְבֶן אַרְבָּעִים...וְכַאֲשֶׁר יזקין ישיאנו יצרו לֵאמֹר שעתה אֵין כּוֹחוֹ כבראשונה, וְאֵינוֹ לְפִי כְּבוֹדוֹ לישב עִם בחורים בְּסוֹד מִשְׂחָקִים, רַק כְּבוֹדוֹ בגדולים...עִם אַנְשֵׁי צוּרָה...ובלילות אֲרֻכִּים יָשְׁבוּ שָׂרִים נדברו עַל הָאָרֶץ וְעַל הַפֵּרוֹת,עַל הָעֵרִים וְעַל הממלכות...ומעלה עָשָׁן וקאו"י (קָפֶה)...זוֹ נבלה וְזוֹ חתיכה דאיסורה,וָאֵלּוּ וָאֵלּוּ נשרפין בְּבֵית הַדֶּשֶׁן"-פֶּלֶא יוֹעֵץ/ אוֹת ז'-זָקֵן)

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